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Going Deeper: A Sabbath Discussion
Ever find yourself yearning for a pause button in the fast-paced symphony of life? Jared and Will join us this week to share the symphony's hidden rest note – Sabbath. Unfolding the sacred threads of this ancient practice, we examine how it's more than catching your breath; it's about reorienting oneself towards a divine rhythm. We question our contemporary five-day work grind and its impact on rest, illuminating the Sabbath as a trust exercise in God's provision over our schedules. Together, we recount how this day of rest can lead to a profound sense of renewal.
As we meander through the conversation, we contrast global work cultures – from Japan's notorious hustle to Australia's breezier pace – and discuss how the relentless pursuit of busyness can detract from our well-being. The Sabbath stands as a beacon, offering a different perspective on managing stress and embracing emotional health. Through laughter and earnest dialogue, we explore how distancing ourselves from to-do lists for one day each week can provide not only physical rest but also an emotional and spiritual recharge.
The episode crescendos with a look at how to weave the threads of Christian Sabbath practices into the fabric of everyday life. From undistracted family dinners to vibrant church gatherings, we share how these intentional moments deepen our connection with God and each other. We roam through various cultural interpretations of Sabbath and the art of spending quality time, ultimately emphasizing the growth and joy that can flourish when we share these experiences. So, tune in and let's embark on a journey together, not just to rest well, but to live well.
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all right. Hey, everyone, we're back and we are with jared and will talking about sabbath. Last few weeks have been good boys, yeah it certainly has gone through.
Speaker 1:Um stop, rest, uh, delight, and then we've got worship coming up.
Speaker 2:Yep worship. So yeah, tell us, jared, what has been the I don't know. Tell us. Maybe start off with some theological disagreement, maybe.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, we'll jump straight into that.
Speaker 2:Just hold the mic up there. There we go. I feel like I'm Joe Rogan, I know when did you get this guy from?
Speaker 3:Listen, guys. It's my first day on the pod.
Speaker 1:I don't know. You better be good.
Speaker 3:It's been a good, not the last well, if it is the last, you guys know why so. But yeah, it's been a great learning about the sub for me over the last few weeks and few months. It's been awesome. So good talk on the weekend too. It was pretty good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was pretty good. Pretty good, that's my summary. Pretty good, yeah, reasonable Could have been better.
Speaker 1:There's been some good feedback from people as well, though, right. I think, it's probably made people think a lot differently from, maybe, the way they grew up seeing Sabbath or their idea of reading the Scriptures and seeing what Sabbath is whether it's some sort of law for us to follow if you look Old Testament sort of style or are we just free to do whatever we want and that's that extra day off that we get?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Aussies do love a good day off. They certainly do, they certainly do, but what's the difference between a day off and doing Sabbath? I think that's probably a confusing thing for some people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, I think we covered it quite well, I think in Delight, right? It's like what's the Sabbath for? Is that my time of the week where I get to reorientate myself towards the Lord? What a great way to start the week. It's like actually I'm not doing this by myself and then I get a bit of a rest at the end of the week. Maybe my Sabbath is the start of the week reorientate myself towards the Lord, and that's who is actually getting me through the week and getting me through life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So it's like you know that theologian who said, like those who Sabbath do every day differently, it's like the start of the week. It was like that first creation story where the first day was a day of Sabbath with God, meaning before we do anything we'd be with God, and that is kind of the orientation of our lives for the rest of the week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sort of flows in. Yeah, I think that's week. Yeah, sort of flows in, yeah, I think that's good, yeah, sure.
Speaker 2:So in that case, practically it's not really like sit on the couch and watch TV for the day and then you know, like that's kind of my downtime. I think it's so much of TV when it comes to downtime, isn't it?
Speaker 3:Listen, I'm not there yet. I'm just thinking about what six days for work, one day for rest, how come we've got like five days for work, two days for rest, yeah, in the Western culture. When did that happen? That's a good question, I think it was like Victorian era wasn't it yeah.
Speaker 1:Some of the Christians who had some of the big mills and things like that created some of the small villages for their workers to live in and started to actually uplift their lives and actually gave them the extra day off to actually have life. The British did that A lot of things, that's why you're here, will these kind of tidbits?
Speaker 3:Okay. So five days work, six, two days rest. It does seem to me like going into the Sabbath teaching. You know I've got a weekend but I'm not resting, even though it's like five days work, two days rest. So yeah, there's definitely a lot more to to how you rest properly so what did the weekend used to look like?
Speaker 3:Well for me. I worked pretty in the startup world, I guess a little bit, or in advertising or recruitment world for the last 15-odd years or whatever. So it's pretty hectic Monday to Friday and then I would basically from I learned from Tim Ferriss on four-hour work week.
Speaker 2:It's a good idea to try and Swipe half a day a week.
Speaker 3:Exactly four hours a week work and then reverse Sabbath. Basically that's the reality, not what it does. You just end up trying to be more, get packed more into work.
Speaker 2:Like super efficiency. I think was like a bit of a craze for quite a while, oh for sure.
Speaker 3:But then I wouldn't check my phone much for work on Saturdays and Sundays. I'd basically just like leave it till. I wasn't afraid of leaving work till Monday. I wouldn't feel I have to get back to everything in most circumstances, but still I wasn't resting or wasn't recharging. I would say. So yeah, there's a lot more to it which we've been learning about recently, which has been really great for me.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, I think that's really good to think. One of my professors once said about the Sabbath you know it's we're not under that law now, but it's actually obviously for us. Um, but it's when we think about the lord. It's saying, oh, I trust you that I'm still going to be able to eat tomorrow. I trust you that I can still get this done with the time you've given me and therefore that's a great reason not to study, work, to do whatever it is that sometimes we do as an extra. We've got that extra day on the Sunday off where I could just prep for a Monday, saying, lord, I trust you that I can navigate this world, I trust you that I'm going to be provided for, I trust you with my time and my family, and so, yeah, I love how I guess, in sort of Anglican tradition, we call it the Lord's Day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how? I guess, in sort of Anglican tradition, we call it the Lord's Day. Yeah, I love that. And just the Sunday? Yeah, that's great the Lord's Day, and that's what early church called it as well. The Lord's Day was, yeah, a day to orientate around God. Getting back to that set up hustle culture. There's like so many podcasts now and we're just adding to the noise of the podcast world right now, but ours is probably one of the best podcasts out there. What did you say? I?
Speaker 3:think it's top.
Speaker 2:Top.
Speaker 3:Top percentage. We'll have to get percentages.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you could see that obviously from the camera all the way as soon as you said ours is one of the best.
Speaker 3:Jared's face was more of a…. It's a top 100% podcast. It's a podcast. It's in the 99th percentile for sure, yeah, yeah, for sure, not at the bottom.
Speaker 2:No, but there's heaps of podcasts out there talking about like hustle culture, I mean, where it would be like praised to be working 24-7, but not really working because you want other people working for you and you're going to be super efficient and you're going to look like it projects the lifestyle, but you're always working, always producing, always on the go and that's really celebrated. I see that a lot now and I just think to me that life looks honestly pretty horrible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think. But that's not just a new thing. Right of look busy. What do you mean? You're taking time off? That looks lazy. That's what the Romans. That's how the Romans looked at the Jews of Jesus day. Do you mean you take a day off?
Speaker 2:Yeah right.
Speaker 1:That's un unheard of like. What are you doing? Like work, unless you're the super elite, then life was luxury and learning. Yeah, um, but yeah so, and to it's the same problem today. What do you mean?
Speaker 1:you're taking time off you need to have everything you possibly can in this world, and that's that's the problem, right? If? If this world is everything you have, then you have to have every experience, every material possession of your heart's desire. Therefore, you have to work for it, to attain it. What do you mean? You want to take time off?
Speaker 3:I do feel coming like I lived in Japan, also like Luke, for 16 years, work culture there is a bit different, like it's coming back to Australia, to Queensland. I feel the work pace is much lower here, like there's not a lot being done. That's not true completely. I know some professional, some guys are great at getting a lot done.
Speaker 2:Just try to get a tradie, you'll find out.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, we've done a bit of renovations here, not just like any of the australian viewership, which is probably our highest viewership.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, nearly only viewership.
Speaker 3:Yeah, um you work hard, just in a different way I was work smart and then this work like really smart it's working hard and it's hardly working, yeah, yeah it's different though, but japan.
Speaker 3:You'll see a guy in japan on the side of the road, famously holding a sign, no ear, you know, just standing there eight hours or longer, do a shift, completely focused on it, even though his job's not that it seems like you could listen to a podcast and do a job, but no, he's working. There's that kind of like. That's like the Japan, and that wasn't me in Japan.
Speaker 1:But there is also that problem in Japan where it's even if you're not working, you need to be seen in the office during the extra hours even if you're not doing anything Ridiculous, even if you're sleeping. Yeah, so it's more of a scene to be working rather than actually getting anything done Exactly.
Speaker 2:I mean, you could do the same amount of.
Speaker 3:I think, like Australia, there's guys who are super efficient, getting a lot of work done, working really well, and there's other examples. But for me, definitely coming back here, it's made me really think about how I work and how I rest. I think is the big one. I think we're used to working pretty hard in Japan, like pretty long hours. You don't really get that concept of overtime pay there. You know the big one, because I think we're used to working pretty hard in Japan, like pretty long hours. Yeah, there's no, you don't really get that concept of overtime pay there. It's like you're working until the job's done.
Speaker 2:No unions in Japan, bro. No unions in Japan. I'm a great fan of unions, do you like?
Speaker 3:that, but it's different. I mean, it's great being back here. It's like even the most basic job pays really well, yeah, so it's a great, you can have a great lifestyle in Australia. It's all about that lifestyle. But you know, I just wonder how many people are truly recharging, getting rested, and I'm excited to see this concept come in and especially, do you know, do what it's done for me and my family. See that for more people. I'm definitely from very hard working background.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm finding that Sabbath is helping me feel good about working hard. Yeah, I feel good about working and working hard, because I know Sabbath is coming and I'm going to proper rest, I'm going to proper have a good time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, I think I've been learning recently about emotions we have, or feelings we have, like stress or anxiety, or fear or anger, all these different things. I've always thought certain feelings are bad and you don't want them, like stress. Stress is bad. Don't want that. Get rid of that completely, which I think is not.
Speaker 1:It's probably not healthy as well.
Speaker 3:Probably not healthy, right? So some people will pigeonhole emotions, get rid of them or not do things. But I think it's great to recharge and also it's a great time to deal with those emotions. One of the exciting things I've heard shared about the Sabbath one idea and there's different ways to do it and we're still figuring out of our family. We're definitely getting the rest part down. Is that part of like you take?
Speaker 3:Like one thing you shared yesterday, luke in the message I half applied because it's a bit late, it's already joined my sabbath, but I thought I'd do that. It's like write down concerns you have before going into rest. Like write them down, pray over them with your family and then, even slight know, put them in a box, put your phone in there too, and then open it up at the end of Sabbath and then readdress those things you've got to solve. And I thought that was so good for me as almost like a what am I going to achieve this week before my next Sabbath, in a way. But also just like you pray over it, you get it off, but then you know it's not something you don't worry about like you're going to worry about, but today is not the day to worry about those things.
Speaker 3:Like we give up to God, we go. Thank you, lord, that you're providing for me and, yeah, I'm going to deal with these things which are causing me stress and I guess as well that sort of it puts some of these worries that are in our life into context, right.
Speaker 1:So you know, it doesn't matter who you are, we all have things that we worry about, things that we stress about. Um, whether they're you know, is it like 21st century problems or whatever it is, or first world problems they like to call it, or not, it's still. It's still a stress for you, because that's that's the life. You've not maybe led like hardcore adversity, so. So, you're not going to. Your level of pain is going to be different to someone else, but I think one thing that idea there will show you is oh, yeah, if I look back on it on the Monday, oh, guess what, the world hasn't fallen apart. I still have my job, I still am provided for. Yeah, the problem's still there to fix, but it's not as big as maybe I thought about in the first instance when it's constantly on my mind. And so, yeah, I think that's a great way of using Sabbath there to actually refresh our minds and show us that our problems are in a different light than what we perceive them to be.
Speaker 3:I also think like thankfulness goes into that, because I remember when I had a startup and we weren't making much money Maybe I couldn't pay myself at the time I couldn't do the things we wanted to do. I couldn't have the weekends I wanted to have, but I could go to the park, you know, we could eat food. The kids don't know if you're doing well or not. They get to go to the park, they get to have fun. I think it's like a certain part of it where you're like I'm thankful for what I have, and what I have is enough, you know, even though it's not like what everyone else has yeah you can still find rest and and be thankful and be happy, even if you're you know it could obviously be better yeah but I think there's that, I think there's.
Speaker 3:I think that's a really good part of Sabbath too, and I guess I always did that. I was always happy with what we've had, but it's definitely nice to have that weekly reminder of that.
Speaker 1:I guess that helps you remind yourself of actually. Am I idolizing anything in the world, ie possessions, things, material goods? That's why I'm working harder, not just to provide for my family but to have all you know for me. An example luke and I were chatting before. Um didn't move to australia not to have a pool. We bought a unit recently. Still don't have a pool, not even a communal one, so don't even have a bath. That's terrible, but blessed enough to have a home.
Speaker 1:You do have a shower though, right, I do have two showers. Okay, that's good, that's safe, the spare one, it smells, all right.
Speaker 2:It smells pretty good. Can we just quickly touch on a couple of things? So what does your day kind of look like? I was trying to give people a picture. Don't understand what. I was trying to give people a picture saying what are you doing? And then has there been any sort of resistance towards that? Because I know, obviously, walking our children through that. But also what I noticed recently is people are not necessarily happy that I'm not available 24-7 for them, even like pushback from, like you know, different friends or family, like why are you not replying to me?
Speaker 2:Like because my phone's in a box for 24 hours or you know, not even 24 hours like some period of time or not even some period of time. So there's some resistance towards me practicing Sabbath and enjoying my life. So partly that is the industry I'm in, but anyway. So what does it look like for you guys? And then what's the resistance you've had?
Speaker 1:I think for me so something that I've been involved with a fair few of the guys here. We've been doing some renovations in this place.
Speaker 1:It's been a while, but I think I purposely said, oh well you know I'm not doing, I'm not working over a certain period, like during the week, that's I'll work all the rest of the time and straight after work to whatever. But these, uh, this is where my my time's for my wife, um, and so it's, it's trying to do that and one of the biggest hardships I find there is something that I put myself personally, because I want to get stuff done, I want to have it achieved, I want things to. Yeah, you know you guys work to me. I like to do things nicely, um, and take your time over getting it done really well.
Speaker 2:It's worth doing right 100% on 100%.
Speaker 1:So when, if you look at some of the painting and it's not perfect that wasn't me, but it's it's sometimes it's that self inflicted pressure where it's like, oh well, I could compromise this once, yeah, and just come and do it, and then it would be finished and I'd have a longer break. But it's always when we think I'll just compromise this once, I'll just compromise my Sabbath this once. The next time it becomes easier. Oh, but you know, I'm doing this for the Lord. Then that becomes easier until it's oh, I'm doing it. Actually I'm doing it for myself, because I want to make myself feel better or I want to achieve or whatever it is. So, yeah, some of the biggest pressure and pushback for there is me, on myself. I would say.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sure, okay. So that's some of the resistance you've had is just like wanting to get stuff done, being driven a bit. That's something a lot of people can relate to. So, as we've been talking about this, I think a lot of people who are doing Christian life, you know, like having a proper go at it. Yeah, we're having a proper go.
Speaker 1:I think that's a good way to put it. It's like having a go at it. We're having a real go at it, not surface-wise, but actually trying to implement it in my life.
Speaker 2:We have like a vague sense of like I should take time for my relationships and I should have like some margin what have you? But we're not necessarily putting away time to be with God in a more like organized way, and so I think that's probably like the transition that some of us are on. It's like, yeah, we vaguely took time off.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But now I'm going to say, like I'm going to bring a little bit more organization around, that maybe from like Friday night to Saturday whatever I'm going to actually set aside some time to joyfully delight in God.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And do proper rest, and a big part of it is literally turning your phone off, I think that's a huge part of it. Even that one thing would actually help a lot of people. But have you found that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that's one area I need to work. I need to put more effort into so my daily reading, my memory verse practice. I find that's already set in me, but there's something more I think that we should be doing on this app to really delighting and worshipping the Lord and actually he's the centre of joy of my life Trying to take it from trying to grow and learn to actually trying to say oh Lord, I just want to enjoy you for who you are.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that delight one yesterday we talked about was a key one, I think Okay. I think so it's supposed to be about what we're not doing, but this is more like okay, so now, what are we going to do? Yeah, what's it all about? What could a day of just absolute joy look like with God and with the people we love? So that's been pretty cool. What are you guys doing? What does a day look like for you?
Speaker 3:Yeah, so we try and start it the night before. So what's that saturday night? So we do sundays are like, so night before that dinner, saturday night, um, it's a work in progress, right and it's, but at this point we try and have a good meal. Saturday night, um, and you know, pray. Um, I haven't been like I've got three children. My oldest is 13, you know, youngest is eight.
Speaker 3:Um, I haven't always been like we pray at dinner time stuff, but haven't been that great. I'd say at like, uh, you know, um, a lot of you see friends, you go to the house and they all hold hands and do these long prayers and stuff. I always feel a bit guilty when I see how they have the kids and the kids have got their Bible scriptures on them, I'm like, oh geez, I guess that's always been a bit of a thing for me and Gabe, my wife. What could we do? So this is a good time each week just to like pray and just talk. Yeah, put the phones away, um, and have some, have a great time, uh, with the kids. Um, yeah, so we I like to do fire outside too. I love fire. I think it's great just having you know that's a condition, isn't it?
Speaker 2:wow, yeah, for me it's conditioned. Uh, yeah, then, uh, yeah, just have it, just chill out that night and then in the morning I mean we haven't.
Speaker 3:That's a condition, isn't it? For me it's conditioning. Yeah, it certainly is. Then, yeah, just chill out that night. And then in the morning I mean we have an alarm, we have church, right, yeah, but the way church is done here is really well. I'm starting to play. I used to play bass guitar in church years ago, but it's a big commitment. You've got to learn the songs. Songs go midweek practice, show up super early at church on Sunday morning and you kind of you feel like it's not really you're working it's another work day, it's another work day, but you know the way it's set up.
Speaker 3:I think this I think if you just done a great job setting it up, so it's part of your Sabbath still, so you come in at like nine. They do only two songs. You know, quick rehearsal, go through, it's kind of fun to do it, and then we play, so it's not too much pressure on like perfection or anything like that. So yeah, so anyway, we come in as a family early for church, kids having a great time and try and definitely spend a bit more time at church just enjoying the community, being around friends, loved ones. We've known people in this, we've known each other for like 15 years and other families here too. So it's great just that. Kids love coming, hanging out, chill out, do church. It's not a long service, it's what? An hour, 20 or something, I don't even know. We finish on time. We finish on time.
Speaker 2:We finish on time. Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 1:We're doing better there.
Speaker 3:It's good, it's been good, so we do that. And then we like to try and do a bit of a walk or something. Now it depends on the season, like if it's raining, but definitely family activities without phones is a key, yeah, so yesterday we did a big walk around Brisbane along the rivers, did a 7k walk. It was a struggle for the kids at first, as always, like getting a traditional, uh, something going. Not tradition, but getting something going is always tricky. We love the long hikes in Japan, but it'd be so infrequent that we'd get to do it. That you know. But it's always the first kilometers kids are complaining, then they start to enjoy it. So we had a great time just doing that and then get back to the house, have a nice in. We had food out, had a nice Indian meal and then, yeah, did board games with kids. So, yeah, it's a great time for family to be together. You know, obviously God's the center of all this, but for me it's just connecting with those kids, building good memories, without technology.
Speaker 2:Sounds like a pretty awesome 24 hours. To be honest, it sounds pretty amazing.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I reckon, like for us, like like we've been doing this for a bit Obviously like I went through treatment for cancer so I was not able to speak for quite a while and so it looked it was honestly pretty rough during that time to try and take time off to be with people. I just wasn't really in the room. But since I finished treatment I guess what, six weeks ago or something like that we've been back at it from then and it's just been better and better. But what I've realized is like now that my family is really loving this, I feel like the next step for us would be like something like doing this with some other people who are also on that same journey and loving this idea together and like hanging and spending some time together, you know, like around the fire pit or stuff like that. That would be really joyful.
Speaker 1:I like the um, a couple of things there. It's the and both of you said it in different ways was still trying to implement it, and also the cancer research. There was time off where it wasn't as practicable and as well implemented, and I think that's a great thing to remind ourselves of. We're not going to be perfect in this world. Like Philippians 1.6 is one of my favorite verses, and it's just telling you you're not going to be perfect until the coming of Christ Jesus, so don't get too regimented over it, over failure or where you've missed out or you've had a hiccup there.
Speaker 1:Now and then that's just the time to be like all right, maybe we need to look at if we can do it a bit differently, or this is just a season of my life and to get on with it.
Speaker 1:But I also love the idea you were saying, for your next phase is to invite others in, and so I think it's easy to look after our own families or our own sort of pods of people that we like. But I would say a great challenge would be to invite those maybe single people, those lonely people that don't have families yeah, um, to start inviting them into your sabbath and inviting them to be a part of your family and to enjoy it, because, at the end of the day, in christ jesus, we're all family and so it's you know we need to start reminding ourselves of that sometimes that we get to share those blessings with others and actually, um, maybe that stewardship is what they needed to actually entranced into their life at an earlier age yeah, I love that that's awesome yeah, definitely, um, almost like adopting, uh, an extra, you know, letting my family get a little bit bigger for a day, including others, is pretty cool.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, looking forward to that Getting into the winter weather.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's good to just do that. We hung out what two weeks ago, right, luke, you came over to our place on your Sabbath, not ours, but you know, all good Saturday Well maybe he was sharing his Sabbath with you.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 2:Maybe secret, maybe I do a double Sabbath. A little tip-off there for you Double.
Speaker 3:Sabbath no, but like I mean, we did do Saturday at first and switched it up, you know, because, like you know, famously the Jews would do it on the Saturday. So I thought I'd have a bit of that.
Speaker 2:Did they? Yeah Well, yeah, Friday night.
Speaker 1:Well, Christians also used to celebrate Sabbath on the Saturday with the Jews that go to synagogue together.
Speaker 2:But they go back to work on Sunday.
Speaker 3:Oh, do they.
Speaker 1:But they did used to stitch in their needles on the Friday night. Sabbath would have started the Friday night.
Speaker 3:Wait a minute, Other Jews right. So if you're an Orthodox Jew right now, are you working six days still?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what you would do, right? You go back to work on Sunday, sunday to Friday night. Got it Light your candles Friday night.
Speaker 3:I mean there's people pre-calculating. I'm getting a lot done. That's good Anyway, but like we should bring that back, eh, Bring that back.
Speaker 1:Unless you're a business owner, then it's costly. Well, a lot of business owners end up working seven days. That's true.
Speaker 3:But anyway, but like it was good just chilling out again. Like there's a bit more of a. You know, usually in my pre-Sabbath mind if you go and hang out with someone it's like a two-hour thing, right. You go and have lunch, it's two hours, see you later. There's not that time just to chill, relax. You know, like take it slow.
Speaker 1:So you were looking at more of a transactional Transactional relationships is what I was at before.
Speaker 3:Not really, but that's kind of how it plays out.
Speaker 1:I still have to give up some of my time to hang out with you.
Speaker 3:Even if I like you, you schedule your day in that way where now you're doing the sabbath vibe, you're not scheduling, it's more just like there might be certain things you want to do. Let's go for this walk or something, but it's a lot more loosey-goosey, which is nice, um, but you can. You do feel it's a bit more like quality.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but we got into some like good conversations, eh yeah, and the day because we had like what I don't know, we had like four or five hours well, you had that wine.
Speaker 3:You want to open? That's true. It was good he's looking at all for your treatment five months or six months or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it would have been like the day that we found out. Well, I don't care, I'm going to have a glass of wine.
Speaker 3:Luke's wine's got corks in it. I don't have corks in my wine. We had all this drama that I forgot to bring a cork opener. You can just use a knife to push it back in, can't you? No, I'm a sub.
Speaker 1:If you can't, it's work wouldn't spill on the floor, because then you might like tend the ground and then it might hit a seed well, that might start to grow and therefore you've broken sabbath.
Speaker 3:No well, I've got my house we just moved. We're still quite. We got here a few months. We still the place where we just moved back to the country, like well, six months ago. But I don't have. There's certain things I don't have in my house still, like cork I have one out if you have.
Speaker 2:Shout out, if you have one.
Speaker 3:I have one now. I have a corkscrew opener in case Luke comes back. It's fancy, fancy Luke, fancy wines. But we didn't, so we ended up getting like the power drill. I don't know.
Speaker 2:We had the power drill out trying to drill holes through it, wow, and then it got all the cork into the wine.
Speaker 3:Then we didn't have a strainer, so we're like, okay, what are we going to do?
Speaker 2:so we find this like net things, that covers the food and we're like pouring it through the net was this a red wine, so did you let it aerate first, or? Oh it got aerated. I've got plenty. Yeah, that's for sure got netted. I don't know it was good, but it was just we were laughing, laughing so long just trying to work out this model.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but also we got into a bunch of life story stuff like highs and lows and yeah stuff, I didn't know, but it was like, yeah, it was cool because we had the space and time to do it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was a good chill. Gabriel spent a great time with Zumi. It was nice for a lot more she around each other in Japan. But Japan's classic for tokyo it's hard to have community in tokyo, it's just a mega city yeah maybe london might be similar, I imagine but like I lived in london so I don't know, but, like it's very much, you go for this time, you leave this time and you know people for years, but you don't always get to know them I don't even think that's a big city problem.
Speaker 1:I think that's just a people problem. Nowadays it's my time is precious, um, so you only have surface sort of level relationships with people. Yeah, because to cultivate a greater relationship requires actual time and attention to the other person rather than me as the the center of reality. Um, and so, yeah, I think it's. It's something that a lot of people would struggle with, having got people all around me but I've got no relationships yeah, yeah, it's true.
Speaker 2:So I think that's good. Um, that's a great place to end. But yeah, I guess that's a little picture of what Sabbath kind of can look like. Everyone's on a bit of a journey there. But I think, if you're thinking about it, better just to start something and then sort of learn as you go. Don't scorecard yourself like, oh, I did good or bad. I think it's just more about like just taking steps, just like having a go.
Speaker 1:If you never take a step, you'll never get anywhere.
Speaker 2:Exactly so. We love to theorize but, like, the power to change your life is in the practice of you know. That's why we call it a practice. It's because you're practicing. It's not like you know, it's not the you know the big game with everything on the line.
Speaker 1:We're in practice every week and I think we should encourage, especially if you're part of our community here at Future Church, to discuss with each other how your Sabbath practices are going. What have you found great, what have you found hard? What have you found hard? And then overcome, planning or however you do it, to overcome it, so other people can learn from you and other people can enjoy it, so we can enjoy this journey together of following Jesus.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure, for sure. Cool Appreciate you guys. Thank you, hope it's encouraging. We'll see you on the next one. You.